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Is it a fake or real Lotus Cortina?
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peteleo



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 12:30 pm    Post subject: Is it a fake or real Lotus Cortina? Reply with quote

There is a Lotus Cortina posted on ebay #3100772664026. The bid is at $16.1K . I asked the dealer a few typical questions i.e hump in the trunk,
chrome stripping on the rain gutter, one piece front bumper,etc.
Reply was : hump is spotted welded on and come see yourself. the I.D seems to be correct. My suspicion: fake. What do the rest of you think?
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zephyrgary



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the front bumper is no big deal as that is how they were sold here.contemporary ads show them with single bumper fitted.i was concerned that the trunk did not show the tubular struts that were fitted to the lotus version.lets face it,as cheap as they have been until relatively recently,and as easy as they are to fake,it is difficult to know for sure.only a car with uninterrupted history documentation,or low documented owners,could be trusted.hard to say.another one recently sold on ebay for over $30k,if i remember correctly.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You want to see the inside of the rear fenders -
Cortina GT's had 3 studs on the GT badge,& the
Lotus only had 2.
You're correct - the US Lotus Cortinas came
with one piece bumpers.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it a 1966? That was the only year that tey were sold here.

Michael
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peteleo



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny thing is Michael the I.D plate is from a L/C. BA74FT59375.
FT: 1966 April. BA: Ermine White. Trim: A875 ( Lotus )

Further inspection reveals no brake power booster but a GT B/M/C.
A towel thrown over the hump in the trunk.
Chromed vent window frame, channel and gutter( though that maybe the norm for later L/C.
Anyway just a fun curiosity.
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zephyrgary



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well it got bid to $25,000,reserve not met.disregarding the issue of its authenticity,for the moment,i still feel that was quite enough for what is a quite scruffy car.should have let it go,in my opinion.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seller probably saw where a really nice one went
for crazy money,& thought his was worth a lot.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sierra Classics relisted the LC. Either the highest bidders walked away from it at $25K or they think they can get more.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pete,it didn't make reserve last time
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I did notice the reserve. Sometimes a seller will purposely set a high reserve to encourge higher bidding. After the auction is over he may accept the highest bid. The highest bidder may have looked at it and walked away, only my speculation. After a few days later, it was relisted again. With a lot of pieces missing i.e., Heater, LC steering wheel, 5.5 steel rims, brake servo, etc. He should have been content with 25K. It would be interesting to see if the bid will go that high again.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hope this doesn't sound like a thread hijack..here goes!


So, if LC are going for silly money these day's, what are Mk1 GT's going for?
Just curious...
No, I'm not wanting to sell my wonderful GT.

Steve
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angliagt



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve,

MKI's seem to have been going for good money for
years now.I think $5000 for a nice GT would be a great buy.
If you've noticed,MKII's have been going for silly money lately.
I'm tempted to sell my '67 MKII GT,if someone's willing to give
me a good price for it.
At least they're being sold,& not scrapped.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would be reasonable to say a restored Cortina MK1 GT can go for around $10K. The money one would spent on restoring a high mileage one to new condition can exceed the value of the car. A good quality paint job without body repair is $3.5K min. in the SF Bay Area. The cost on restoring a GT and LC is the same, except the TC engine cost 3x more to rebuilt.
LC were special low production models. They are sought after because of their racing history. Just recently LC that were driven by famous drivers like Jimmy Clark, Whitmore, et al. were fetching well over $100K.
I've seen immitation LC. selling as much as genuine LC. They prefer starting with a standard Cortina MK1 as it doesn't have the extra bright trim with unwanted holes, spot weld a hump in the trunk and install all the necessary parts or from a wrecked donor car. I know of one MK1GT that was converted to a LC. It is easy to obtain original looking I.D plates from a source in England. Must stop now... ran out of room.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would just hate it if a bunch of nice GTs were converted into faux Locorts.

Michael
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

all of the above are reasons why an uninterrupted history and provenance are so important.especially with a car that can be so easily,and cheaply,faked
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