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Identify This Engine Block
Posted: Wed May 14, 2014 2:06 pm
by angliagt
Someone sent me a picture of a 1600 block,
pretty sure that it's a Fiesta one.
It says "771M - 6015 CA".
- Doug
Posted: Wed May 14, 2014 5:05 pm
by peteleo
1977 Ford Fiesta 1600.
Posted: Wed May 14, 2014 11:17 pm
by angliagt
The first Fiesta sold in the USA was a 1978 model.
- Doug
Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 7:45 am
by peteleo
You're right Doug.
The first generation Fiesta came out in 1976. Top of the line model had the Valencia Kent series 771 motor ( 77 for 1977 ). The block is shorter than the Kent block used in RWD cars but a lot of parts are interchangeable between the two. It's not a good idea to use a Valencia block in a RWD car.
Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 10:08 am
by Brett Wilkie
Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 12:52 pm
by peteleo
Brett,
I think the 711 block has the heavy duty square main caps and wider diameter stems / lifter faces.
It is possible to use the 771 block instead of the English Kent block for a RWD. You would need to remove 8mm from each mounting web on the left side of the block then drill further in and tap. Also you would need to either drill or increase the hole size for the water pump / generator bracket.
I had to drill a hole in the oil pump for an oil pressure indicator when i used a 771 block in a Anglia 105E.
Some of these above things you have already mentioned and like you said you would need a donor Kent block.
Pete
Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 1:41 pm
by Brett Wilkie
You are right, the 711M does have the big, square main caps, wide lobe cam and larger cam followers. The 771M also has the big beefy main caps and wider cam lobe and followers. You are also correct about the left engine mounting web, the 771M is 8mm more than the early x/flows BUT the same as a 711M so if you were putting a 711M into a place where the EARLY x/flow came out you would have to trim the mount again just as a 771M. If you were replacing a 711M then no trimming will be needed as they are the same. Here is a bit of trivia (true or false?) The 711M engine is wider to be the same fit as the German made 2000 SOHC engine. Weather that is true or not I did discover when putting a Pinto 2000cc engine into a 105e that the engine just bolted directly to the 105e mounts and Cross member with no problem EXCEPT I had to trim 8mm of the block casting on the left side.
This sort of supports the Idea that it may have been designed that way, when the Ford Pinto first came out it was a 711M 1600 before becoming the German made 2000 SOHC engine. They both take the same engine mounts and are interchangeable.
Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 3:43 pm
by peteleo
Thanks, Brett. You know your stuff.
Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 4:02 pm
by Brett Wilkie
Maybe one day I will convert my Fiesta engine for use in my 100e? I sure to find out all the nitty-gritty then??
Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 9:02 am
by Deathproofcapri
i can confirm about the 711 specs as above. also, the fwd and rwd x flows are different when it comes to mounting them and it's just never worth the hastle when there are more or atleast just as many rwd suited crossers out there.