1959 Thames 300E

A place for new (and old) members to introduce themselves.
User avatar
BigFred
Posts: 122
Joined: Thu May 30, 2013 3:20 pm
Location: New Jersey, USA

1959 Thames 300E

Post by BigFred » Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:40 pm

I was documenting my slow-moving project on a UK-based forum and someone recommended that I check in here. I'm based in New Jersey, USA.

A few months ago I acquired a '59 Thames 300E (actually 301E I guess) from my brother for free. The body is in poor condition, but we believe the engine can be gotten to run with enough work (and hopefully not too much $). My plan is to see if I can actually get motor started and then go from there, fixing up the mechanicals and later proceeding to the massive body work.

Image

The motor turns freely, but I found in checking things out that the flywheel bolts were sheered off. Further checking found that a previous owner (prior to my brother) had apparently done some disassembling and lost more than a couple of the bolts from the drivetrain. The flywheel had been reattached with an assortment of lightweight bolts and a brass screw. The flywheel alignment dowel/pin was substituted with a piece of threaded rod in too narrow of a diameter. I guess the task ahead of me will be a challenging one. At least I'm not in a hurry. Wish me luck. :)

oabandit48
Posts: 10
Joined: Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:47 pm

Post by oabandit48 » Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:35 am

Welcome Fred - get bolts yet ??
Check this link - possible parts ??
http://www.enfostuff.com/forum/viewtopi ... highlight=

User avatar
BigFred
Posts: 122
Joined: Thu May 30, 2013 3:20 pm
Location: New Jersey, USA

Post by BigFred » Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:45 pm

oabandit48 wrote:Welcome Fred - get bolts yet ??
Check this link - possible parts ??
http://www.enfostuff.com/forum/viewtopi ... highlight=
Have not received the package yet. I did confirm that the dowel/pin my brother found appears to be the correct one for the Thames flywheel.

Thanks for the lead on a possible source for other parts. Not sure what parts it has that I would need. I may need a solid donor body someday.

User avatar
BigFred
Posts: 122
Joined: Thu May 30, 2013 3:20 pm
Location: New Jersey, USA

Post by BigFred » Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:49 am

oabandit48 wrote:Welcome Fred - get bolts yet ??
Check this link - possible parts ??
http://www.enfostuff.com/forum/viewtopi ... highlight=
Package received in today's mail. Very much appreciated. :D

reggie
Posts: 235
Joined: Sat Oct 20, 2007 9:38 am

welcome

Post by reggie » Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:19 pm

nice looking english ford there.. here is a picture of my friends ford. Image
"god made Adam & Eve for a reason"

User avatar
BigFred
Posts: 122
Joined: Thu May 30, 2013 3:20 pm
Location: New Jersey, USA

Post by BigFred » Mon Jul 28, 2014 7:56 pm

I'm happy to report that I've gotten my Thames engine to fire up for the first time since the 1970's. :D Only had it running for a short time (by choice), but that was enough to convince me that it WILL run and the project may be a viable one. Now onto disassembling and repairing the various systems on it. The extensive body repairs will come last. Wish me luck.

Brett Wilkie
Posts: 1491
Joined: Sun Sep 16, 2012 12:42 pm
Location: Vancouver British Columbia Canada

Post by Brett Wilkie » Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:58 pm

I think you are doing well, at least you are making steady progress. My 100e cars will sometimes sit for months without any attention at all.
Anglia 100e modified
Prefect 100e stock

DonG
Posts: 104
Joined: Wed May 26, 2010 9:06 pm
Location: Tilton, NewHampshire

301 e

Post by DonG » Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:18 pm

You have a unique vehicle. People are amazed at classic car shows about the existence of Anglia's. Your van is raaaare. Although it is a working mans vehicle, it is still valuable due to its uniqueness. Make it a working van will have added value.
Over the Rainbow you will find an Anglia!

User avatar
BigFred
Posts: 122
Joined: Thu May 30, 2013 3:20 pm
Location: New Jersey, USA

Post by BigFred » Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:58 pm

This is a combination project update, confession and parts inquiry. A few years ago, as part of my project, I asked this Enfo community about the availability of some small parts I needed to correctly mount the flywheel on my Thames 300E. A previous owner had mounted the flywheel with an assortment of screws and odd bolts and they all broke off in the crankshaft. (I think I have a thread somewhere on this forum about that issue.)

A couple of very generous guys in this community sent me the bolts, alignment pin and flange I needed. I extracted the broken-off screws/bolts and proceeded to mount the flywheel using the correct parts. As I was torqueing down the flywheel bolts I noticed that one of them wouldn't tighten. I also couldn't remove it, no matter what I tried. That episode was so disheartening & frustrating I completely stopped working on the project for a couple of years.

I was recently convinced by my brother to take one more shot at removing the bolt, identifying the problem and fixing things. If I couldn't get beyond this issue, I was going to sell the car. After some dedicated work today, we got the bolt removed, saw that some of the threads were stripped off, used a tap to clean up the threads in the crankshaft, and put the remaining three flywheel bolts back in.

Now I'm on the lookout for one flywheel bolt to replace the one I somehow ruined.

Image

Image

Image

enfoprefect
Posts: 179
Joined: Wed Feb 04, 2009 10:24 pm
Location: Oklahoma City
Contact:

Post by enfoprefect » Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:11 am

What is "special" about that bolt Fred? It has been a while for sure but I seem to recall it was just a hardware store bolt.
Bayless
1948 Prefect E93A
http://sailok.com/enfoprefect

User avatar
BigFred
Posts: 122
Joined: Thu May 30, 2013 3:20 pm
Location: New Jersey, USA

Post by BigFred » Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:22 am

enfoprefect wrote:What is "special" about that bolt Fred? It has been a while for sure but I seem to recall it was just a hardware store bolt.
I don't have a good answer for that question. I just know that when I posted an inquiry about these bolts previously, I was provided a specific set of them. They have no threads on the quarter inch closest to the head. I was using a 13mm socket to tighten them (but it looked a 1/2" socket might work too). They're marked "Wiley V" on the head.

enfoprefect
Posts: 179
Joined: Wed Feb 04, 2009 10:24 pm
Location: Oklahoma City
Contact:

Post by enfoprefect » Fri Jul 26, 2019 6:12 am

Hmmm, interesting.
Bayless
1948 Prefect E93A
http://sailok.com/enfoprefect

JAN
Posts: 160
Joined: Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:57 am
Location: Wigan, UK

Post by JAN » Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:35 am

From memory, they're 5/16" UNF - interchangeable with S.A.E. - and have 1/2 inch AF (across flats) heads. Half an inch is 12.7mm, so using 13mm tools can round off the corners. I imagine they're high tensile steel but not certain on that.

mark
Posts: 74
Joined: Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:10 am
Location: south carolina

Post by mark » Fri Jul 26, 2019 2:35 pm

they are similar in shape to the flathead v8...which the head was taller than a stock bolt. I ran a chevy disc in a flathead v8 which barely hit the bolt head, so I replaced them with ARP flywheel bolts ...which had shorter head height. Someone on the site must have another bolt for you, but if not, ARP will have the flywheel bolts. I agree with Jan's comment they are SAE and probably high tensile.

User avatar
BigFred
Posts: 122
Joined: Thu May 30, 2013 3:20 pm
Location: New Jersey, USA

Post by BigFred » Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:15 pm

Couldn't find the correct size on the ARP site. I picked up a bolt from the local NAPA auto parts store. It's the correct thread size (5/16-24), socket size (1/2"), and length (just shy of 1") in Grade 8. Unfortunately it's threaded all the way up the shank, unlike the original. I'm not sure what effect that might have. I'm going to keep looking for an original.

Post Reply