Ford Angial Engine

[dick]

Need to find out for sure what Ford Anglia engine I have. It is a flat head with 13 head bolts and the generator bracket is on the front top of the head. Also am looking for a manual that covers the engine and where I can get parts such as a gasket set. In other words I have the engine but nothing else. I am planning on putting the engine and tranny in a 3/4 size model T Ford roadster. I found these numbers on the block E93A6017

[zephyrgary]

Welcome,
Sounds to me that you have an 1172cc side valve engine as fitted to Anglias Populars and Prefects as late as 1959. I believe the earlier ones had white metal bearings and the later ones did not. The club in the UK is very active, so I think you should start there. Good luck.
Gary

http://www.fsoc.co.uk/

[zephyrgary]

Also, the British Saloon Car Club of Canada is a good resource. They have a Yahoo chat group, they are Facebook (whatever that is0 and they publish a bi-monthly magazine.
http://www.bsccoc.ca/index.php
They have a Marque Coordinator for Ford Prefect/Anglia whose name is Mike Aveline. His email is
damavel939 AT live DOT ca

Gary

[zephyrgary]

I just remembered Anglia Obsolete in California. They have all sorts of engine parts plus the off a repro workshop manual for $30.

http://www.angliaobsolete.com/page1.html

Gary

[dick]

I was talking with the club in the UK and they sent me to this forum. Thanks for the information.

[enfoprefect]

If the generator bracket is on top of the head then it is the earlier version. Also the E93A marking on the block indicates Prefect through 1951. I'm not sure whether the Popular through 1959 used that engine or the contemporary 100E engine. Very similar in looks and still 1172cc but a whole new and more robust design. Both had babbit rod bearings although the 100E can be converted to inserts. Not sure on the earlier one. The 100E also came with an integral water pump and oil filter. I believe an external pump might have been an option on the other one but don't know how that looked or worked. This is my 100E engine. Not that it also has provisions for motor mounts case into the block where the older engine uses just that mount across the front.

[dick]

Thanks for the information. So I guess my engine is 1172cc. I also noticed that they had to different HP. I think I saw where there was a 8HP and a 10 HP how do I tell the difference? Also do you know where I can get a gasket set for it? The guy I got it from took it down to a short block to check it out so I need gaskets to put it back together. It looks like new inside and has no wear lip on the cylinders at all.

[peteleo]

8 HP was the 988cc and 10HP 1172cc. As you may already know that is not the horse power rating of the engine but rather the U.K. horse power tax at the time. Pete

[dick]

How do I tell the difference in the 8 or 10 HP?

[zephyrgary]

Dick, Anglia Obsolete, as mentioned above, will answer all your questions and prolly have all your gaskets. as will Graeme at Enford Spares in NZ.

http://www.enford.com/

[enfoprefect]

I'm pretty sure the E93A S/N indicates 1172. The bore on the 1172 is 2.5 in and I'm pretty sure the 988 will be smaller as the hp tax rule was based on the bore. That's the main reason for the long stroke on them. Also I have heard, but can't really verify, that only the 1172 was imported to North America. Dean at Anglia Obsolete is a good guy to work with. I have bought a bunch of stuff from him over the years. Another good source, particularly for mechanical parts is Kip Motor (http://kipmotor.com). BTW, the actual horsepower on the 1172 was 36 bhp with 52 ft-lb torque.

[JAN]

Hello again, Dick. Yes, I'm on here too!

Much of the info on here is correct: the engine states E93A so is definitely 1172cc. One small correction: the 8hp engine was 933cc, not 988. As I said on the 105E Club Forum (the one for this engine, by the way, is the Ford Sidevalve Owners Club - www.fsoc.co.uk. Unfortunately neither Club supply spares across the Atlantic so membership is probably of little use to you), although the E93A and 100E engines look similar and share the same bore and stroke sizes, so both are 1172cc, they are very different and almost nothing is interchangeable between them. I can also confirm that the E93A engine was used in the 103E Popular from 1953 to 1959, so Ford had two similar looking engines of exactly the same cc in production side by side throughout that period. Strange but true!

The 8hp and 10hp designations are, as said, down to the very peculiar British taxation of the time, which was based on bore size, not cubic capacity. This led to British engines all being small bore / long stroke, which limited design and power outputs until well into the 1950s (it also made USA cars unpopular as they did have large bores, so were very expensive). The actual (claimed) power otputs were 22bhp (933cc); 30bhp (1172 - E93A) and 36bhp (1172 - 100E).

[BigFred]

Hello again, Dick. Yes, I'm on here too!

Much of the info on here is correct: the engine states E93A so is definitely 1172cc. One small correction: the 8hp engine was 933cc, not 988. As I said on the 105E Club Forum (the one for this engine, by the way, is the Ford Sidevalve Owners Club - www.fsoc.co.uk. Unfortunately neither Club supply spares across the Atlantic so membership is probably of little use to you), although the E93A and 100E engines look similar and share the same bore and stroke sizes, so both are 1172cc, they are very different and almost nothing is interchangeable between them. I can also confirm that the E93A engine was used in the 100E Popular from 1953 to 1959, so Ford had two similar looking engines of exactly the same cc in production side by side throughout that period. Strange but true!

The 8hp and 10hp designations are, as said, down to the very peculiar British taxation of the time, which was based on bore size, not cubic capacity. This led to British engines all being small bore / long stroke, which limited design and power outputs until well into the 1950s (it also made USA cars unpopular as they did have large bores, so were very expensive). The actual (claimed) power otputs were 22bhp (933cc); 30bhp (1172 - E93A) and 36bhp (1172 - 100E).

Did you mean 103E in that sentence?

[JAN]

Well done, Fred, I did. It's my age!

I've edited in the correction.

[dick]

What I am hearing is that there are two engines that look the same but are different. If so how do you tell them apart? The numbers found on my engine are E93A6017 and C354659.